Post SPOILERS 4ª temporada

Hola gente...

Como vais...Os he leido y ahora mismo me pogo a ver el capi...y con dos ssemanas de paron...Mae mia...que tension...

Me da que Jer va a volver y cuando lo haga sera el momento en que Damon le vuelva a chutar el interruptor con el sired a Elena...porque me da que el puñetero vinculo va a seguir hasta la finale...

Luego vuvlevo...Me voy a ver el capitulo...

Es aqui donde uno toma acomodo para las dos proximas semanas???

jaja, pasa y toma asiento.... como si estuvieras en tu casa.

Pase usted que estoy limpiando la salita de estar...

Acabo de ver que ya ha salido la sinopsis del 16 pero ando en el mvl y no puedo colgarla... Pero vamos nada nuevo.

La sinopsis del 4x16

LA NUEVA NORMALIDAD – La nueva forma de ser de Elena (Nina Dobrev) los tiene a todos preocupados​, por lo que Stefan (Paul Wesley) y Damon (Ian Somerhalder) acuerdan que volver a la rutina normal de la escuela secundaria sería lo mejor para ella. Caroline (Candice Accola) está agradablemente sorprendida cuando Elena decide unirse al equipo de animadoras, pero su placer se convierte en una sacudida eléctrica cuando el comportamiento de Elena resulta peligroso. No renunciando a la búsqueda de la cura, Damon y Rebekah (Claire Holt) trabajan juntos hasta que un consejo no deseado de él la coge con la guardia baja. Klaus (Joseph Morgan) trata de usar a Hayley (estrella invitada Phoebe Tonkin) para obtener la información que él busca y hace un descubrimiento interesante en el proceso. Mientras tanto, una aburrida Elena hace una fiesta salvaje y se mete en una pelea fea. Jesse Warn dirigió el episodio escrito por Elisabeth R. Finch & Michael Narducci (# 416).


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Gracias Anatvd, voy a releer trankilamente y luego opino sobre la sipnosis.

De nada, para eso estamos :P

A mi tanto rollo Damon-rebekah me da mal rollo

Y llevo un rato pensando sin parar en cuando Damon dice lo de "es lo que me haría feliz" a Elena, que es lo que usó en el 4x08 y q ella siempre dice "lo que siento es real".... Verás tu por donde nos salen cuando se rompa la mierda de sirebond. Estoy muy pesimista!!

SPOILERS RECIEN SALIDOS DEL HORNO!!!!!De boca de Julie Plec

On Thursday’s Vampire Diaries, Elena found a shocking way to deal with the harsh reality that her brother was dead: As instructed by Damon, she shut off her humanity, then later burned down her house with Jeremy’s body in it. Goodbye home, goodbye brother, goodbye old Elena!
Meanwhile, Bonnie bought into Shane’s crazy plane to bring back her dead loved ones — but it was actually Silas guiding her!
Below, executive producer Julie Plec answers our burning questions about Elena’s new humanity-free state, Jeremy’s death, Bonnie’s dangerous encounter and much more.
RELATED | Vampire Diaries Finds a New Witch
TVLINE | I imagine killing off Jeremy was not an easy choice. Why did you feel it was necessary to kill him?
This whole year has been about the evolution of Elena as a vampire, starting from a girl who expressly claimed it was the last thing she wanted. And then just as she was finally getting a handle on it, the sire bond problem reared its ugly head. We knew we wanted to get her to the darkest place possible, so that Elena, the most compassionate character, would become dis-compassionate and turn her humanity off. So we knew we had to tear someone extremely important out of her life. Everybody is equally important to her, but when you really think about it, it’s her protectiveness of her brother that kept her together. Tearing her brother away from her would be the thing that would make her fall
TVLINE | Obviously, the death of her brother is not something Elena can get over quickly, so is it safe to say she’ll be humanity-free for a sizable chunk of the season?
It’s safe to say that it’s going to be very difficult to bring her back from this place that she finds, which ironically, in spite of it being relatively emotionless, is actually her new happy place because it is a place with no pain, no guilt, no suffering and no extremes other than just an appreciation for life as a vampire and a desire to feed.
TVLINE | How is humanity-free Elena different from Katherine?
Everything Katherine does is a sexual manipulation, is in her own best interest, for her own survival. She will plead and flirt and tease and lie and mindf—, excuse my language, anyone and everyone in order to fill her own best interest. Elena is more blunt and honest and, “It is what it is and I am what I am and want what I want and right now I would like to feed on that girl over there. And I resent you for trying to stop me.” Elena is just more direct about getting exactly what it is that she wants. She doesn’t need to rely on the tricks that Katherine has to pull out of her bag.
TVLINE | Will we also see a more reckless, fun side of her now that she doesn’t have this human responsibility on her?
Yes, without a doubt. Elena has not had the easiest time of it, becoming a vampire. We didn’t want her to just jump right into the wish fulfillment side of vampirism, although I’m sure there’s plenty in the audience who would have enjoyed that. But that felt counter-intuitive to this character that we had defended so strongly as a human. Now, suddenly, we get to experience those things of what it’s like to be a vampire, party all night, never grow old, never die.[/b]
TVLINE | How is her new state going to affect her relationship and her feelings for Damon?
That is the big question. What is the truth of what she feels? How does the sire bond play into all this. What is their dynamic going to be moving forward when she’s not driven by a love for him necessarily. A lot of questions come up and get answered in the next couple episodes.
TVLINE | Are they still in a relationship?
We’ll have to find out.
TVLINE | Will the fact that he was the one who told her to do this cause trouble for them later? Or between him and Stefan?
When all is said and done, everybody recognized that in the worst possible scenario, which is what they were in, it truly was the only viable solution. It doesn’t make it good. It doesn’t make it happy. But it really was the thing that needed to happen to release her from her pain. So I don’t think anyone’s going to hold a grudge.
TVLINE | Meanwhile, all of Elena’s supernatural friends have their humanity, so how are they dealing with this new aspect of her?
It’s difficult for all of them. As we’ll see in the next episode, it becomes most difficult for Caroline, who as a fixer and a people kind of girl, is trying to get her friend back on track. But Elena’s not really having it so much.
TVLINE | Is there any significance to the fact that she gave the Gilbert ring to Damon? Why not give it to Matt? He could use it.
She, in her moment, was like, “OK, this doesn’t work anymore. So here, have it.” I can say this may not be the last we see of that Gilbert ring in the series. But right now, it’s just out of play.
TVLINE | Was Bonnie seeing a vision of Silas? Or was he actually physically taking on the form of Shane?
That is another question we’ll have to be asking ourselves. What we’ve seen about Silas in the caves is that he can appear as a hallucination…. So the question is, is that what’s happening here? Or is he physically standing before her? Does he look like Shane? Is he taking on Shane’s form? What is going on? What is this guy capable of?
TVLINE | How dark will Bonnie’s path get? Will she continue to try to carry out this plan and kill 12 people?
Bonnie is being extremely controlled and manipulated right now by this Shane/Silas figure. We’ll see that escalate over the next several episodes to its breaking point.
TVLINE | Will Shane on the island survive?
As far as we know, Shane on the island has met his terrible demise, although we did not see him take his last breath. You never know on this show.
TVLINE | Now that Katherine has the cure, will she play a bigger role this season?
That was definitely not the last we’ll see of Katherine.

En resumen: No dice nada :)
Se habla sobre si sigue habiendo una relación Delena y dice que lo descubriremos en los próximos capítulos.
Sobre si se le recriminara esto a Damon, yo entendí que no.
Volveremos a ver a katherine.
Bonnie está siendo manipulada por Silas

Poco más

A mi esta mujer me da pavor..... Me rompe el delena en 3,2,1....

bueno... tremendo testamento...

A mí ha echo gracia esta frase "cuando todo está dicho y echo..." a qué me sonará... ay ahora no me acuerdo... ah sí, al 3x22!!! BRUJA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TE VIGILO!! eso mismo dijiste en el 3x22!!! se repite porque ya no sabe que más inventar xDDD

Vale que la serie ha tomado un giro interesante y que los últimos capítulos han tenido bastante acción pero Delena se acabó hasta nuevo aviso...eso ya me quedó claro. Sin humanidad no puede haber amor.
Tanto que han dicho que no existía eso de apagarse pues ahí está.

Hombre,si se va a descubrir en los dos próximos capítulos,y sabemos que Damon y Elena estan juntos en NY en el 4x17......pues nos da bastante esperanza de que sigan juntos de alguna manera......eso si,sin humanidad Elena poco va a sentir hasta que Damon empiece de nuevo a meterse bajo su piel..........

A la Plec ni caso hacerle, que dice mucho mucho y no dice nada. No se como tomarme esto,porque, bien pareciera que el Delena se apagó junto con la humanidad de ella, pero igual lo reviven al recuperar a Elena, un proceso como el de Damon en la primera pero con los personajes a la inversa.

Han dicho que no existe interruptor de humanidad eh? Pues toma ya, porque ella lo apagó (me niego a creer que sea una orden del sirenbond porque tal cosa no existe y he dicho) sólo espero que no sea una Katherine 2.0, puede ser todo lo dark que quiera, pero ess Elena, y como juegue al pingpong con los Salvatores... Palo a Plec.. no bitch, no.

La limousina del capítulo de la graduación:

La escena desnuda diciendo que no había nada que los 2 no hubiesen visto antes es un poco Katherine

Julie Plec ha dicho en la entrevista que colgué más arriba que Elena NO va a ser como Katherine que se aprovecha de su sexualidad para conseguir lo que quiere,que en eso son distintas.....yo creo que va desnuda delante de ellos porque realmente todo le importa un pimiento,no para que la vean y aprovecharse.......

madre de dios, que horas las mías de aparecer

eva gracias por la entrevista, mañana me la leo con calma que ya no me da la neurona, pero me he ido directamente a la negrita, que para algo es lo interesante y bueno...muy en la linea de la plec, vamos, que no dice nada. Pero me hace gracia porque insinua que con este nuevo estado, no hay sire bond que valga, y que por tanto ahí va a salir lo que siente ella de verdad no? o eso es lo que me ha dado a entender a mi. Pero luego se contradice y suelta que en estos momentos elena no siente nada. A mi si que me suena a lo que nosotras decíamos de la vuelta progresiva y tal....pero eso de que muchas preguntas se harán y resolverán en los proximos dos capítulos (solo dos????)....porque vale, sabemos que están fisicamente juntos en el 4x17. Pero yo no me fio mucho de los relatos...la chica que coló las fotos BTS les vio peleandose (que esa parte no me preocupa xD), y le dijeeeeeroooon que habia escena de beso. pero yo de ese "le dijeron" no me fio un pelo. Ahora, que si que parece que el que va a estar al menos de cuerpo presente con elena es damon. Lo que me mosquea es que narices van a hacer con stefan, porque es que ya solo les queda meterlo con calzador en el momento más inoportuno y me va a cabrear....

El tema katherine/felenaoff....es que yo no la veo katherine para nada. No hace falta que lo diga la plec, es que hemos visto dos escenas en la promo y ya se ve... katherine es manipuladora, ambiciosa, traicionera... Elena ha apagado la humanidad pero sigue siendo elena (que creo que a eso se refieren con lo de que no existe el botón, con que por mucho que quieras dejar de sentir, siempre acaban las emociones por salir a flote porque tu personalidad es la que te define, pero se supone que si que pueden "apagarlo" y dejar de sentir por un tiempo.). Y es lo que dice eva, se la ve pasando de todo sin más. No se les está insinuando. En las escenas que se ve está en modo damon de "me la pelais todos juntos y lo que pueda pasar" pero no creo que la veamos siendo mala, ni traicionando a sus amigos ni nada por el estilo. Ahi radica la diferencia...

ah y yo es que ahora mismo no estoy tan preocupada por delena. Tanta preocupacion por si siguen juntos... realmente, para mi han estado juntos un capítulo. Todo el drama posterior, aun no se ni que fueron así que no me vale. Yo también quiero escenas de los dos porque me encantan, pero ahora mismo el giro de los personajes me parece interesante de sobras como para que pase un poooco a un segundo plano. Quiero ver como interactua elena con caroline, con bonnie, con stefan y obviamente con Damon. Y a ver hacia donde les lleva esto. Pero está claro que a priori, con elena sin sentir nada, poco puede sentir ni por damon ni por nadie, asi que no me les veo yo diciendo "vamos a ser novios" en los próximos capitulos...

esta entrevista es distinta a la de eva verdad? dice cosas muy similares pero creo que no es la misma, la pongo por aquello de los matices y me largo a la cama (jass y solucionamos el misterio de caroline y el albornoz! xDDDD)

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2013/02/vampire-diaries-spoilers-ep-julie-plec-talks-damon-and-elenas-romance-post-humanity-switch-plus-klau.html


That was very mean. How emotionally taxing is it for you to write an episode like "Stand By Me"?

Honestly, it came out almost too easily, and it made me second guess whether I had done it right. I build myself up to be so excited to write it, so the process of sitting down to write it was excruciating, but when I actually wrote it it just happened so naturally that I thought 'Oh, I must not have dug deep enough.' I had to go back and look at it. The reason I wasn't feeling it as I was writing it was because I was disassociated from the trauma, which is exactly what, ultimately, Elena had to be, when all was said and done. I was in my own form of detached, dissociated denial, which of course is my great life crutch. It was the perfect episode for me to have written, and it was ultimately very interesting psychologically.

With the Gilbert house gone, the living arrangements are going to change. In the new promo [above] it kind of looks like Elena and Caroline have moved in with the Salvatores -- what's the situation there?

Caroline hasn't moved in, but she is there with her shower caddy. There's still vervain in the water, and the Salvatores have the only vervain-free water in town because of their fancy water filter. It's a fun way for the boys to be basically going about their morning business, discussing what to do about Elena, and in walks Caroline in her cute little robe and shower caddy, like, 'Well I have an idea!'

On set this week, I got to see Nina do a little Elena and a little Katherine. Obviously, Elena without her humanity is a little bit darker; what's the key difference between Elena without her humanity, and Katherine? Where do you draw the line?

The difference as we write it and as Nina acts it is, trying to always keep everything Elena says and does coming from a place of truth. Whether it's painful truth -- directness, boldness, bluntness -- it's truth. Katherine, on the other hand, is always trying to seduce, or manipulate, or lie her way through to survival. It's all in the eyes, really, and Nina, whose eyes are so expressive, really does it so perfectly.

Speaking of Katherine, I assume that she wants the cure to use it on Klaus. At this point, with Elena's humanity gone and no living relatives or anything, is getting the cure still a priority for Elena, Damon, and Stefan?

Ultimately, the race for the cure has sort of been channeled into the race to find Katherine. Klaus doesn't know if Katherine's going to use it against him [to kill him] or use it as leverage to get her freedom, but he doesn't really like option A, so he's got a lot of concerns. Rebekah, of course, still very much wants to be human, and we're going to just keep exploring that more and more as she gets closer to finding Katherine.

What's in it for Stefan and Damon at this point?

The question for the boys is always "How do we help Elena through this?" If they have an easy time of it, then the cure isn't necessarily the first thing on their minds, but I can tell you, Elena's situation right now is not going to be the prettiest thing. It doesn't go so well. Elena is not going to be the best-behaved humanity-free vampire in town. The cure kind of comes back into play for the boys as a method to fix her. The irony is that their arguments over whether or not to fix her at the beginning of the season come full circle back around to "How do we fix this version of her, and should we?"

Can Elena and Damon sustain any kind of romance with her humanity gone? Is that even on the table?

Well, the first question is, what does she feel, if anything? And who does she feel it for, if anything? And where does she stand with Damon? Poor Damon, the big, lingering question that he's been feeling from the beginning is "Is this love that she feels for me real?" He doesn't believe it's real because he doesn't believe he deserves it, and he doesn't believe he can be happy, but he wants so desperately to know. Now we're in a predicament where she's not really feeling anything at all.

Is there any chance for anyone to have a moment of happiness at the prom at this point?

There is a happy moment at the prom -- actually, I don't even know if I can definitively say it's at the prom. There are several quintessential "Vampire Diaries" romantic, or sweet, or sad-and-sweet moments that happen surrounding the prom, scattered throughout the prom episode. The stakes are always high on our show, but we also need our characters to be able to have those life moments, like prom. Dancing with a cute boy at prom, getting greeted by your boyfriend in his tuxedo, all those great moments.

Where does Caroline stand with Klaus right now? Did the spinoff change the direction they were going in, at all?

No. If anything, the spinoff is just another version of an obstacle. Caroline and Klaus is a very, very tricky relationship, in that we can all understand why she's drawn to him, because we're drawn to him. But Caroline is not the kind of character who would ever comfortably let herself go there. It's a constant battle of fighting the attraction that's very clearly brewing, but knowing she can never go there and still be true to herself. Something would have to change, whether it's Caroline's character who changes or Klaus's character who changes, or circumstances that change, before we as writers would ever legitimately think about putting them together. You can look at the Caroline/Klaus relationship as something that will live on, in a way, even when he's not on the show. The want is still there.

I remember a few years ago, you used to say that no matter what bad thing Damon did, the fans would never condemn him; now Klaus is in that position. No matter what he does, the fans love him.

We fight with each other and with ourselves as writers, because we genuinely love Klaus in spite of all his effed up behaviors and his darkness and his terrible, terrible attitude and his evil. Joseph gets a little tear in his eye and gives Caroline a puppy dog look and you just want him to have everything he wants. We get mad at ourselves for being so weak about him. Our goal has always been not to over-compromise the moral core of our characters even as they're making really, really complicated decisions about their romantic lives or their sex lives. Caroline has been a very interesting character to have in the center of those relationships.

Laia, yo lo que quiero ver, al menos en el lado delena, es que sea Damon quien consiga volver ir recuperando la humanidad en Elena. Como bien has comentado, ahora lo interesante es ver a la nueva Elena y en como se relaciona con lo que le reodea... pero yo sigo pensando que es necesario que haya delena, basicamente porque nos han dado capitulo y medio!!! Simplemente detalles, conversaciones hirientes, pero escenas en donde ambos dejen entrever, sobretodo ella, que no son indiferentesm, eso si que me pareceria un timo.

Por cierto, en el 4x17 a NY van Damon, Rebekah y Elena... y Damon tendra, al menos, un flashback.