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davinia29
davinia29
04/06/2012 15:15
Hola niñas! Para los que no somos capaces de aguantar sin tener noticias frescas sobre lo que vendrá.. He abierto el post con tiempo porque han empezado a salir spoilers. Intentemos no mezclar y sólo poner los spoilers. A disfrutar!

ACTUALIZADO 07 noviembre 2012-RESUMEN SPOILERS

Nuevos spoilers del( 4x07 al 4x10).


4x07 Sin Título

-Este episodio ha sido escrito por Caroline Dries y Elisabeth Finch.

-"Han aconsejado ver el episodio 7 en directo. En la compaía de amigos. y con mucho alcohol (o sin alcohol si eres menor).Y con montones de aperitivos."

-Según @Huntvision el episodio 7 será uno que dará que hablar.

-Se celebrará un nuevo baile de Miss Mystic Falls!

-Elena irá al baile con Matt!

-Es bastante seguro que habrá un baile Delena!

4x08 - Sin Título

-Este episodio ha sido escrito por José Molina y Charlie Charbonneau.

-Charlotte y Nandi aparecen en este episodio.

-Flashbacks de 1940.

-Veremos a Stefan con uniforme entrando en batalla, en época de la Segunda Guerra Mundial!

4x09 - "O Come, All Ye Faithful"

Capítulo de Navidad
Stefan y Caroline están en desacuerdo con Tyler.
Hayley deja claro que no está a bordo de sus planes.
Elena y Damon van a la casa del lago con Jeremy, Bonnie y el profesor Shane?

4x10 - Sin Título

Aparecerá Rudy Owens, el padre de Bonnie!

Fiesta de Navidad
#14961
Megan17
Megan17
05/12/2012 21:13
bueno la entrevista de la plec.... a ver, yo croe que elena se entera en el 4x08 del percal. Porque sino es que no me cuadran las cosas... así al final del capi es cuando hablan y deciden pues no tener sexo (de verdad, parecen las típicas parejas que deciden no tener sexo antes del matrimonio jaja).
Luego en el 4x09 se van a el lago.... y pues no sé jajaja... ay vuelven ha hablar y a lo mejor sale algo productivo... jajja, yo que sé... vamos a ver como me venden esto que yo a la plec le tengo PÁNICO! jajaja
#14962
Arwen25
Arwen25
05/12/2012 21:16
No veo nada claro que sea Tyler, el personaje que muera, entonces que pintaria Haley quedandose en Mystic Falls, me inclino a pensar que será la madre de Caroline, que es muy querida por Damon(así de paso pierde otro amigo más), y así la Caroline se queda sola para que pueda pendonear libremente un poco más, veo el Klaroline muy cerquita.
#14963
nombreocupado
nombreocupado
05/12/2012 21:37
chic@s ayer se me fue el internet y no ha vuelto hasta hace un ratito !! aarrrggg k coraje !! eso no se lo deseo a nadie !! XD (como exagero).

me kede ayer comentando y ni despedirme de la gente pude ufff !!

Maribel gracias x tus animos y x esa canción !! sonriente


por cierto hace demasiado frio !! le he cogido asko al frio !! ¿sabeis lo k es no dejar de estornudar ?? madre mia .. y kien se mete unos pantalones x la mañana de los mas freskitos con el frio k hace !!! como odio ese momento !! menos mal k pasa rapido !!!

en fin y aveis hoy estoy cabrada con el tiempo !! dioss creo k es xk terminaré poniendome mala !

algo nuevo de nuestra kerida serie ??? K HARIAMOS SIN ELLA???

parece mentira pero ver una serie es mucho mas k solo verla, es hacer amigos , es pertenecer a un foro donde te lo pasas pipas (aunke tb tenemos nuestros dias malos) oero en el fondo somos una grn ekipo !! (dejarme k esoty melancolica , no se k me ha dado hoy !! va a ser el refriado y la regla k se me ha juntado todo !! si me veis mas sensible de lo normal ya sabeis x lo k es )

pues eso niñ@ k adoro TDV adoro damon y al polvazo k ehcaron el otro día !!! joo me voy a ver el video !!!
#14964
Cian1184
Cian1184
05/12/2012 21:38
La entrevista de la Plec..yo también creo que Elena se entera en el 8 y luego no les dará tiempo a aclarar las cosas y hablaran en el 9, y veremos si algo más.

Luego sobre el personaje que muere, no creo que sea Tyler, opto más por su madre y que Stefan aunque no intencionadamente tenga la culpa. Me inclino por ella por varios motivos...
- La foto que salió donde se veía a Tyler y su madre abrazados da impresión de"algo" va a pasar
- Si Caroline apoya a Stefan en su plan y Tyler no está deacuerdo, cuando su madre muera a consecuencia de esto, Tyler se enfadará mucho y terminará con Caroline. Lo que nos lleva a que Caroline se acerque a Klauss y tengamos el Klaroline.
- Si Tyler muere como dice Maribel, Hayley no pintaría mucho porque yo creo que antes o después van a tener algo.

Asi que me inclino por la señora Lockwood jeje. Luego no acertaré como siempre xDD
#14965
Niki13
Niki13
05/12/2012 21:38
No Carla, no eres la única!!!! Yo la echo muchisimoooo d menos!!!! Es Damon en mujer, jeje. Y a Meredith también!! Donde se ha metido?? Son los 2 únicos personajes femeninos q m gustan ahora mismo!!
Rebekah es tan mona... quiero q viva su particular "historia Delena" con Matt, se lo merece, Bekah come back!!!!!!!!
#14966
evita2
evita2
05/12/2012 21:45
Yo sigo inclinandome por la madre de tyler.....y deseando que él se desate contra Stefan y Caroline,que la unineuronal se acerque a klaus y que al final se quede sin ninguno de los dos.....y si puede ser que klaus la haga una miserable juajuajua.......
#14967
Megan17
Megan17
05/12/2012 21:46
María jajaja.... tranquila yo también tengo un día muy melancólico jajaja.... me he puesto a recordar y recordar, y no se si serán las fechas pero también estoy como tú y aquí no hace frío jajja

Bueno... pues bienvenida otra vez maría jaja...

edito: pues yo no quiero que se muera nadie... (si eso la rubia jaja) jooooooooo.... no quiero, no quiero y no quiero... snif
#14968
nombreocupado
nombreocupado
05/12/2012 21:48
Lola yo veo muy probable tu teoría !!
#14969
evita2
evita2
05/12/2012 21:51
Carina ha hablado:

"The Vampire Diaries" fans got a bit of a one-two punch at the end of last week's episode, "My Brother's Keeper." First, Damon and Elena finally slept together after an intense build-up that grew over three seasons and finally spiked in Season 4. Whew! But while they were doing the deed, Caroline and Stefan discovered that Elena's connection to Damon may have grown stronger because of a sire bond that compels her to do as he pleases.

Let's just say it was a highly polarizing moment for fans of the series -- particularly those fans who waited patiently (and not-so-patiently) for Damon and Elena to finally hook up. Some are intrigued, but it appears that a vast majority feel that reintroducing the sire bond in this capacity was a mistake on the part of the writers'. Some fans have pointed out plot holes (she hasn't done everything Damon told her to do this season) or expressed frustration that it's being used as a romantic catalyst, since Tyler's sire bond didn't inspire romantic feelings toward Klaus.

Because I am no longer writing in-depth recaps for "Vampire Diaries" episodes, I wanted to use this article to express my own opinion, but before I do, I want to warn you -- it's just one person's opinion, and it's just speculation. I haven't viewed any future episodes of the show, and I'm not spoiled for any story beats specific to Damon and Elena. I'm just presenting this as an opportunity to discuss the show, not to reveal what's coming next.

I have to admit, when I first found out the direction that the show was taking with Damon and Elena, I was a little bit disappointed. I don't necessarily have a preference for Damon/Elena or Damon/Stefan, but when I watch a relationship develop on TV, I want to see it explored organically and honestly, without gimmicks or fan-service. After actually seeing the episode, though, I found that I really liked the way the reveal played out on-screen, and once I spoke with executive producer Julie Plec, I'm even more intrigued and excited by this new twist.

Plec told me, "Damon is a character who, his whole life -- as a vampire and as a human -- was looking for love and acceptance, and for someone to finally say, 'Hey, you're good enough.' He finally gets that from Elena, and now he has to question it. He wants to believe it's real. She truly believes it's real. But there's that nagging doubt, as to how much of it is true love and how much is the effects of a sire bond."

Viewers have been looking at the sire bond as having the potential to be a complete negation of Elena's feelings for Damon, but I think that's the wrong approach. This isn't erasing what's been building between them; it's just throwing an obstacle into it. TV relationships can't ever be perfect, especially on a show like "The Vampire Diaries," where things have to move fast and there always needs to be a twist. When Elena slept with Stefan for the first time, she immediately found out that she was identical to his ex-girlfriend, which forced her to question his feelings for her. This is similar to that, in that it forces Damon to question Elena's feelings.

A large portion of the audience seems to be assuming that last week's revelation implied that Elena's feelings for Damon are entirely based on the sire bond, and are therefore not valid. There's no evidence to support that, though. Yes, she probably liked the red dress because of Damon, and she probably can't drink from a blood bag because of Damon. But nothing we've seen on the show would imply that she's in love with him simply because he implored her to be. First of all, Tyler never fell in love with Klaus -- in fact, he never even respected Klaus. Second of all, we've seen Elena's feelings for Damon evolve over three and a half seasons. Even a die-hard Stelena shipper can admit that there's been development there. Their kiss outside the motel last season hasn't been forgotten.

In my opinion, the sire bond may have added an element of urgency to Elena's feelings for Damon. Being a vampire may have given her the strength to end things with Stefan. But I think you'd have to be blind to assume that the sire bond created love that wasn't there.


Sigo en otro post
#14970
nombreocupado
nombreocupado
05/12/2012 21:51
Gracias mi super Megan !! joo yo kiero emigrar a las islas canarias !! k ayi no hace frio !!!


ya me acabo de ver mi moñis video !!! angel angel angel angel

es incomparable inconfundible es ,,,,, el Polvo !!

elena; hoy en la fiesta recorder e dia ke..
damon: bailamoos!!
elena: me kede con agnas de bilar contigo

y despues empiesa lo mejor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kjdhlejd feoihjfoñshadlij adkjaño dñkjsaoñdij ñlksjadoija dñjñodj ainssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
#14971
lagunero negro
lagunero negro
05/12/2012 21:52
jajjaa, vamos, que al final todos creemos que Tyler se queda como Marco, sin mama...

Esposa, que precioso avatarrrr
#14972
evita2
evita2
05/12/2012 21:52
The wonderful thing about the sire bond element is that it's going to put Elena in a position where she needs to prove her love to Damon. For three seasons, we've watched him try to prove himself to her. Yes, he's made some (major) missteps, but that's television for you. At this point, Damon is a reliable friend and a viable love interest, and there has been a lot of character growth to get him to that point. Now, it's time for the tables to turn, and for Elena to convince him that they should be together and that her feelings for him are true. After her numerous rejections, it's about time she find herself in a position where she has to tell him not only that she loves him, but why she loves him. It could really be quite poignant and beautiful.

As for there being plot holes with the sire bond story, I'd suggest that fans sit tight before pointing out any glaring errors. It's true that Elena hasn't done everything Damon has told her to this season, but as we saw with Tyler and Klaus's sire bond, the connection doesn't work like a game of Simon Says. While Tyler and Klaus were sire-bonded, there were several times that Tyler told Klaus off, or tried to go against his orders. The very act of going off into the woods to break the sire bond was in direct defiance of Klaus, since Klaus's entire purpose at this point is to build a family of sired hybrids.

We've already seen on the show that the bond has grey areas, so it's expected that it would have grey areas for Damon and Elena, too. Their bond works differently, obviously -- Klaus's hybrid sire bond is rooted in gratitude, since he freed them from their werewolf curse. There's no equivalent to that in Damon and Elena's relationship, so the technical points must work differently there.

While I'm sharing my point of view -- let's try not to fault Caroline for having one. Yes, she's probably been overstepping BFF boundaries a bit, but she's not exactly one to keep her mouth shut when she has an opinion, and I wouldn't expect that to change now. Plus, Caroline has really only been privy to the absolute best side of Stefan. She's seen him as a devoted, caring friend, and never truly witnessed his ripper side. When it comes to her, Stefan has earned the loyalty she's showing now. Plus, Damon systematically abused Caroline in the beginning of Season 1. He's changed a lot since then, but I can't blame her for the fact that she doesn't see him as a romantic hero.

I can see why some fans were irritated by Caroline's voice over during the Delena sex, and the way that the two scenes were woven together instead of delivered separately. It was definitely a bit of a cold shower. That said, this is The CW. "The Vampire Diaries" priority has to be driving the plot forward, not titillation.

And yes, this whole thing is bound to be tough on Stefan, particularly given the moral grey area presented by the sire bond. As a huge fan of his character, I'm really looking forward to exploring a new side of him now. It's hard to deny that Elena wasn't particularly sensitive to Stefan in last week's episode. (She had to stay at the Salvatore house? She couldn't have crashed with Bonnie, or moved into Alaric's empty loft, or compelled herself a room at the fanciest hotel in town?) But I think it's important to give her some credit for being honest with both Salvatores and for finally knowing what she wants.

I really hated last season's wishy-washy Elena, who couldn't decide what she wanted or who she wanted. Now, she's making adult choices, and telling people the truth about her feelings -- even if it's not necessarily what they want to hear, and even if it makes her seem inconsiderate. This show works much better when all parties involved are honest with each other, even when it comes to non-romantic elements. Will she probably eventually find reason to be interested in Stefan romantically again? Yes, probably, because this is a TV show, and I can't imagine that there won't be a "who will she choose?" question building to the series finale, whenever that may be. In the meantime, though, I'm looking forward to seeing how the romance between Damon and Elena evolves over the next couple of episodes.


Quien entienda que traduzca please....
#14973
nombreocupado
nombreocupado
05/12/2012 21:54
gracias esposa de sergio x la entrevista!! jiji :P

un alma caritativa k traduza plis !!
#14974
Cian1184
Cian1184
05/12/2012 21:56
Uff!! Tan larga y con mi inglés pillo cositas sueltas... voy a ver si saco algo en claro jajaja, que ya os digo que lo dudo mucho....
#14975
Megan17
Megan17
05/12/2012 21:58
jaja, maría, ha ver, hace fresquito pero frío frío frío... pues no jajaja... con una chaqueta ya voy servida.

Bueno, lo del vínculo.... yo no sé, pero a mí esto me sigue pareciendo una escusa barata para retrasar el delena y no se si me convence. Les voy a dar margen, pero hoy por hoy la trama no me termina de cuajar.

Que elena ama a damon ya lo sé, lo sé desde el 3x10... la duda ofende leches! jajaja

edito: jaja, me meo con los esfuerzos de la mujer por intentar justificar el vínculo... osea que van a tirar por ahí, elena hace lo que le dice a veces jajajajajaja... no tiene sentido, esperaba alguna razón de peso mayor... en fin, esta trama es una sacada de manga sin ningún tipo de sentido y no me la voy a tragar porque me emocione ver como elena y damon luchen... a mí las cosas me las tienen que contar bien y con lógica, todo no me sirve.
Dicho esto espero que busquen unas escusa mejor que esta... sino.... será una cagada.
#14976
Cian1184
Cian1184
05/12/2012 22:05
Nada sorry de verdad pero ya os digo que pillo cosas sueltas, más o menos las que podemos pillar todas con un inglés básico o medio jajaja.

Así que Google, aunque me lo traduzca literal y no tenga mucho sentido algo más pillare, lo siento!!
Pero vamos que basicamente Carina expresa lo que opina ella sobre el vínculo.

EDITO: Ahora que me viene a la cabeza, la entrevista de la Plec eso que dice que lo del vínculo o los unirá o los destruirá del todo, más le vale que sea lo primero, porque como me este ilusionando y luego me salgan con una chorrada....no se que hago xDD
#14977
evita2
evita2
05/12/2012 22:09
Gracias esposo....es que me ha gustado tanto la foto que me he cambiado el avatar y todo jejejeje

Bueno,sobre la entrevista....vamos,que a ella le gusta todo esto,y que cree que los sentimientos de Elena son reales,vaya.....y que estaba agobiada de la tercera temporada que Elena no se decidia y le gusta verla sincera y madura........

Pero que es sólo su opinión......
#14978
Atun
Atun
05/12/2012 22:11
hola mis amores! joer, que me ha costado ponerme al dia....o no tenemos nada o salen 54754378534 cosas a la vez, que estres!!! aisssss pero me encanta como pinta!!! voy a ver si puedo traducir lo que acaba de poner eva.... pero vamos que si, que es opinión de ella y punto....
#14979
nombreocupado
nombreocupado
05/12/2012 22:12
Megan aqui ni con chaqueton de pelo por dentro, guantes y bufanda de lana me caliento !!! lo dicho que busco un curro en las canarias !! XDXDXD


Pues Lola yo tb espero que sea lo primero xk como sea lo segundo la serie la va a seguir viendo ella xk yo no !!
#14980
Megan17
Megan17
05/12/2012 22:13
eva y sus cambios de avatar jajaja... un clásico en el foro.

Sí da su opinión sobre todo un poco, el vínculo, el stefano (le gusta el personaje???? por dios... jaja), damon y elena... y paridas varias.
En fin que su forma de justificar lo del vínculo no me ha convencido pero para nada....

edito: pues cuando te quieras venir aquí estamos jajajaja.... sol todo el año (bueno, no siempre pero casi jaja)
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